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Sunday Readers' Thread

August 11, 2024

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Here is this week's question...


After winning the first game of the double header, in a 1-1 tie, Aaron Boone had Gerrit Cole begin the sixth inning. He quickly retired the first batter he faced. At that point Cole had thrown 90 pitches.


If you were the manager, would you have taken Cole out in that spot?


Please share your respectful comments below.

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10 comments

10 Comments


Jeff Korell
Jeff Korell
Aug 11

I would have asked Cole how his elbow felt, the one that sidelined him for so long, and asked him to give an honest answer. Based on his answer, I would make that decision. If Cole said it felt tired, I would take him out. If he said it was fine, I would have at least let him finish that inning, then take him out. The thing to remember with Cole is that he is recovering from an elbow injury that was serious enough that it sidelined him for the first 3 months of the season. If the Yankees still have World Championship aspirations, they are going to NEED Cole as their ace, and shouldn't risk further injury to…

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Len
Len
Aug 11

No.


Remember the days when multiple pitchers had 20 or more complete games, threw 120 or more pitches a game, and regularly threw as mnay as 300 innings a year. Did it hurt there arms? No. Several of them pitched for 20 years, and won 300 games.


Now they are babied, and pulled around 90 pitches. Warren Spahn had 382 complete games over 21 years, with 63 shutouts, twice 300 innings. He didn't rely on strikeouts, avering about 4 1/2 per 9 innings. Was he a robot? Today's pitchers are trained from the minors to go 5 to 6 innings, to protect their arms, yet there are more sore arms today than ever. A complete game today, is a headline.


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Jeff Korell
Jeff Korell
Aug 12
Replying to

Yes, I definitely would have liked to see Sandy vs Reggie. I hate to say this, but Sandy would probably have gotten the better of that matchup. Pete Rose, who has more career hits than anyone in the history of baseball, said the one pitcher he just could not hit was Sandy Koufax.


The arm injuries did catch up with Sandy Koufax. From what I read about Koufax, it sounds like it WAS the UCL injury that requires Tommy John Surgery that inflicted him, but at the time, the surgery wasn't invented yet. After Dr Frank Jobe performed the famous surgery on Tommy John himself, Sandy Koufax had asked Dr Jobe in later years, “Why didn’t you do that …

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Robert Malchman
Robert Malchman
Aug 11

HECK NO!


(That "heck" is for Paul. Left to my own devices, I likely would have selected a different intensifier.)

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fuster
Aug 11

who the heck can answer that question, reasonably, without having any information as to Cole's medical or mental condition?


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fuster
Aug 11
Replying to

with Fangraphs assessment that the Yankees will win 95 games, win the AL East and likely will represent the AL in the World Series


I'm at a loss to understand why people on the site fail to grasp the simple idea that Cole can not be replaced and must be treated as irreplaceable.


he pitched well, and the team needs him to continue to pitch well

and the team needs that

far, far more than it needed to win the game, that he started so well

and that the bullpen piddled away


the bullpen has been substandard, but may well improve when a couple of guys return from the IL.

shame that Loaisiga wont be back


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Alan B.
Alan B.
Aug 11

No I wouldn't have. But the move was obviously pre-planned and pre-determined, including who was coming in following him.


But I see this problem is not just up here, but in the minors too. Yoendrys Gomez is a starter back in AAA, but only 3 innings at a time, Hampton only had 2.1 IP and 26 pitches yesterday, Barclay was allowed to take another beating..yeah, another DH for them, but they have 16 pitchers on their active roster, enough to not let that happen. Their entire pitching philosophy, based on data and cold hard numbers, with no room to paying mind to what their eyes are showing them is total crap in my opinion. It's too much pitching by the…

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