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Lincoln Mitchell

Hall of Fame Ballot, Part II

by Lincoln Mitchell

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NOTE - This article comes from Lincoln Mitchell's Substack page, Kibitzing with Lincoln . Please click HERE to follow Lincoln on Substack.

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There are fourteen players who remain on the Hall of Fame ballot from last year.


One way to look at these fourteen players is by breaking them into groups including: 1) fine players who were not Hall of Famers; 2) relievers for whom interesting cases can be made; 3) left-handed pitchers: 4) the shortstops; 5) excellent hitters in the gray area; and 6) the PED guys.


Only one player is firmly in the first category. Torii Hunter had enough power to hit 353 home runs and enough speed to steal 195 bases while playing a solid centerfield. He was a very good player, but never an elite hitter. His career OPS+ of 110 demonstrates that. Hunter was also a bigot and a homophobe, so even if he had a stronger statistical case, I would oppose his candidacy.


The two relief pitchers who are back on the ballot raise some intriguing questions and interesting comparisons. Last year, Francisco Rodriguez got 10.8% of the vote while Billy Wagner received 68.1% of the vote. Wagner will likely win election to the Hall of Fame this year, but in some respects the two are very comparable.


Rodriguez pitched in 95 more games and 73 more innings while saving 15 more games, so had a slightly longer career than Wagner. However, Wagner’s ERA was half a point lower. He also struck out more batters and walked fewer than Rodriguez did. There is no question that Wagner was the better pitcher, but the disparity in votes is still striking.


Wagner also reflects the difficulty of understanding the Hall of Fame candidacies of relief pitchers. Currently, there are only eight relievers in the Hall of Fame. Three, Mariano Rivera, Trevor Hoffman and Dennis Eckersley were from the one-inning closer era, and four, Goose Gossage, Hoyt Wilhelm, Bruce Sutter and Rollie Fingers from we might call the fireman era. Eckersley had a solid career as a starter that bolstered his Hall of Fame case. Lee Smith’s career straddled the two eras.


My hesitation about Wagner is that there are several pitchers from the fireman era whose Hall of Fame is about as strong as Wagner’s, but because they have the same gaudy save totals, they have been overlooked entirely. It is also difficult to compare these two very similar kinds of relievers because closers pitch fewer innings so generally have lower ERAs which contribute to potentially accumulating more WAR, but fireman often provided more real value because they could pitch more than one inning at a time.


Three firemen stand out as great pitchers, colorful players and important parts of championship teams. Enshrining Wagner in Cooperstown rather than Sparky Lyle, Dan Quisenberry or Kent Tekulve would be a questionable decision. The table below shows the comparison on several key measures. Francisco Rodriguez is also included in the table.



The evidence from the table strongly suggests that while Wagner’s Hall of Fame case is slightly better than that of Rodriguez, there is no such clear distinction between Wagner and the firemen. Quisenberry threw about 150 more innings, about two full years worth of innings for Wagner, but his ERA+ was the best of the three firemen. Lyle and Tekulve were not as dominant as Quiz, but the length of their careers is a strong argument that they had more overall value than Wagner. Additionally, Wagner’s slight lead in WAR is not so relevant here. All five pitchers are separated only 4.5 WAR. A small career difference like that, particularly when comparing across careers and eras, is essentially negligible.


The left-handed pitchers in category three are Andy Pettitte and Mark Buehrle. Pettitte, primarily due to his post-season record, was the better pitcher, but neither are quite Hall of Famers. Both were very good, but they combined for zero Cy Young awards, six top ten finishes in Cy Young balloting and eight All-Star Games. Those would be strong numbers for one pitcher, but given those are combined numbers, demonstrate that both Buehrle and Pettitte are not quite up to Cooperstown standards.


There are two shortstops on the ballot who have received some consideration. Omar Vizquel was a wonderful fielding shortstop who contributed little with the bat. He was kind of a poor man’s Ozzie Smith. Jimmy Rollins was also a fine defender at shortstop, but was a better hitter. Rollins best year was 2009 when he was the NL MVP. That season Rollins slashed .296/.344/.531 while stealing 41 base and hitting thirty home runs. In 2009 Rollins became the seventh player in baseball history, and only the second since 1980, to hit more than twenty doubles, triples and home runs in a season.

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Unknown member
Dec 17, 2024
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fuster
Dec 13, 2023

do you really wish to maintain that there's any distinction made between imitator or imposter?


neither is acceptable or even sane.


and it's FAR from idiotic to understand that Hunter is neither rational or anything other than deplorable.


Black people were brought to most parts of the Americas and the ones in the US are no more authentically Black than those from Cuba or Domenica or anywhere else.


'understanding' Hunter's argument is not going to improve it...in any way


it's not reasonable in any facet.


it's an argument that was fairly commonly raised in NYC. American-born Blacks would complain about how Latin Blacks were getting preferential treatment from employers and others.


have a nice day

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yankeesblog
Dec 13, 2023
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You're being willfully ignorant. The issue is not the difference between the words "imitator" and "imposter". In fact there is a difference. According to Merriam-Webster an imitator is someone who adopts the appearance or behavior of another person especially in an obvious way. The same source says that an imposter is one that assumes false identity or title for the purpose of deception. Obviously Latin-American players are not trying to adopt the appearance and behavior or assume the identities of African-American players so both Hunter and the author are using the words incorrectly.

I pointed that out the difference in the words used by the author to illustrate that the author did not even quote Hunter accurately. That is a mark…


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yankeesblog
Dec 13, 2023

" Hunter was also a bigot and a homophobe"


I don't know - I read the article you linked to and with respect to Latin players his point was that he thought that MLB was not recruiting enough African-American players from the US because it was cheaper for them to sign players from the Dominican Republic. I don't think that's true, the problem of declining African-American participation in baseball is a lot more complex than that but I don't see how that equates to bigotry against Latinos. I don't know how the author of that article got away with characterizing it as so. Hunter clearly felt that MLB was using dark-skinned Latinos as 'imitators' (as he said) of African-American players…


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yankeesblog
Dec 13, 2023
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No what's ridiculous is to deliberately misinterpret what Hunter said in order to score virtue signaling cred which is what the author of that article did. Hunter did not call the Latino players "imposters". That's the authors word - not one that Hunter actually used. so he's not even quoting him accurately. The quote, which is in the article, is: "As African-American players, we have a theory that baseball can go get an imitator and pass them off as us,"

He's saying that baseball is using the Latino players as "imitators" of African-American players.

And that is clearly the context of his remark if you read the rest of the quote.


And yes, the argument I'm making is clearly beyond you…


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